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  • Guap Chachi
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    Originally posted by oldtyme View Post
    I don't think anyone knows what they are doing to be honest, there's no playbook. The vaccine has proven to be effective at reducing the risk of hospitalization from Covid, which has always been (in my opinion) the primary reason for us all to stay inside and now to get vaccinated, so as to not overwhelm our health care system.

    No part of me believes DF was ever willing to go all the way and be punitive because he wants to be re-elected and i firmly believe this is a huge reason why we can't seem to get out of this bullshit. We're past the lockdowns so this is what comes next i suppose.

    That being said I don't go anywhere except the beer store

    stay safe out there.
    very measured and cerebral take, thanks for that



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  • Guap Chachi
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    Originally posted by sp- View Post

    that's pathetic
    Which part? My imagination or people proudly displaying their papers to sit down in a restaurant?

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  • sp-
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    Originally posted by Guap Chachi View Post

    I imagine many people are quite eager to show their certificates today.
    that's pathetic

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  • oldtyme
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    I don't think anyone knows what they are doing to be honest, there's no playbook. The vaccine has proven to be effective at reducing the risk of hospitalization from Covid, which has always been (in my opinion) the primary reason for us all to stay inside and now to get vaccinated, so as to not overwhelm our health care system.

    No part of me believes DF was ever willing to go all the way and be punitive because he wants to be re-elected and i firmly believe this is a huge reason why we can't seem to get out of this bullshit. We're past the lockdowns so this is what comes next i suppose.

    That being said I don't go anywhere except the beer store

    stay safe out there.

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  • Guile
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    you're right you don't carry around your yellow booklet because the instances of unvaccinated people for these diseases in those settings is nil. this isnt the case with covid which as we all are aware we have an active global pandemic related to.

    I would expect if we have an outbreak of tuberculosis you might need to produce evidence of vaccination past a certain threshold of cases/ active infections.

    i get it, these are draconian measures, what is the alternative to having our businesses and daily lives return to some form of what things were like pre-2020? we just all work out and spend 20 hours on a flight with a mask on? If the alternative is do nothing and trust people to govern themselves in a non-selfish way I just dont have that kind of faith in people anymore.
    the biggest issue is, the vax isn't working, despite the propaganda. israel and japan both show that the vax strategy has failed. what sense does it make that you need a vaxpass to sit down at a restaurant while there is an unvaxed guy walking by you picking up take-out? or the staff handling your food. or a sweaty rave where the bartenders don't need to be vaxed.

    sweden and denmark seem to be back to normal. they still monitor people coming in on flights, but i think they just let covid run its course and didn't get freaked out by the number of deaths, which really, are the same as the flu. people just didn't follow flu numbers so now they think covid numbers are crazy. it's not normal people i don't have faith in, its the government.

    it's hard talking about this without going down any conspiracy rabbit holes but the fact that dougy ford was anti vax and the next week flipped, and that none of the measures they've implemented are ironclad by any means, just raises too many questions as to what the fuck these people are doing

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  • Guile
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    Originally posted by Guap Chachi View Post
    I imagine many people are quite eager to show their certificates today. If social media is any indication, a large majority of people who are vaxxed support this system.
    can you give some examples/screenshots

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  • J.Freeman
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    Originally posted by Guap Chachi View Post

    I imagine many people are quite eager to show their certificates today. If social media is any indication, a large majority of people who are vaxxed support this system.


    I was just asking about people on this forum. Looking to get a junglist opinion on what its like.
    Last edited by J.Freeman; 09-22-2021, 02:49 PM.

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  • Guap Chachi
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    Originally posted by J.Freeman View Post

    Has anyone had to show their certificate yet? I haven't left the house in two days so I don't know what has changed on the ground.
    I imagine many people are quite eager to show their certificates today. If social media is any indication, a large majority of people who are vaxxed support this system.



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  • J.Freeman
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    Originally posted by Guap Chachi View Post

    and here we are today....
    Has anyone had to show their certificate yet? I haven't left the house in two days so I don't know what has changed on the ground.

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  • Guap Chachi
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    Originally posted by Guap Chachi View Post
    There's nothing optional about the vaccine when the government suggests that your freedom will be extremely limited if you choose not to take it

    and here we are today....

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  • oldtyme
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    you're right you don't carry around your yellow booklet because the instances of unvaccinated people for these diseases in those settings is nil. this isnt the case with covid which as we all are aware we have an active global pandemic related to.

    I would expect if we have an outbreak of tuberculosis you might need to produce evidence of vaccination past a certain threshold of cases/ active infections.

    i get it, these are draconian measures, what is the alternative to having our businesses and daily lives return to some form of what things were like pre-2020? we just all work out and spend 20 hours on a flight with a mask on? If the alternative is do nothing and trust people to govern themselves in a non-selfish way I just dont have that kind of faith in people anymore.
    Last edited by oldtyme; 09-22-2021, 09:47 AM.

  • J.Freeman
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    Originally posted by Guile View Post

    all good man, i wasn't putting you down, you make good points too, but i think this is more than just about a vaccine. im not even an anti-vaxxer, i just don't like where this is going from a more general view. being traced and digitally assassinated is like some shit out of Time Cop.
    Yeah man I feel you with that sort of general dystopian vibe. The advent of things like 23andme has made movies like Gattica seem like a real possibility. I guess the vax passport just doesn't hit the right buttons to send a warning signal for me.
    Last edited by J.Freeman; 09-21-2021, 07:52 PM.

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  • Guile
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    Originally posted by J.Freeman View Post

    Sorry mate. I get in the mood to pontificate in the morning. But that is a very good point.
    all good man, i wasn't putting you down, you make good points too, but i think this is more than just about a vaccine. im not even an anti-vaxxer, i just don't like where this is going from a more general view. being traced and digitally assassinated is like some shit out of Time Cop.

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  • J.Freeman
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    Originally posted by Guile View Post

    Jeez dood.. it was a rhetorical question. What I was getting at is that they are both there to control you in certain ways. I would actually argue that the QR code is worse than a chip because you willingly submitted to it, whereas a chip could be installed against your will.
    Sorry mate. I get in the mood to pontificate in the morning. It's a bad habit that I'm trying to stop. But that is a very good point that you make.
    Last edited by J.Freeman; 09-21-2021, 04:32 PM.

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  • Guile
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    Originally posted by J.Freeman View Post

    This is just my take:

    TLDR
    Jeez dood.. it was a rhetorical question. What I was getting at is that they are both there to control you in certain ways. I would actually argue that the QR code is worse than a chip because you willingly submitted to it, whereas a chip could be installed against your will.

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